Curse

SerenitySilverstar · Apr 14, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

What I see from this discussion is that a lot of people are resistant to, or don't understand, change.

4 years is a long time in the modern gaming market. Anet have the best of intentions in sticking to their non-subscription model, but as with ANY business it would be ridiculous - business suicide - to hold on for grim death to old business models without changing with the market.

It seems that micro-transactions are becoming a way of money making for games. There WILL be some pain transitioning from previous business models that we "bought on" to, to what is becoming the new norm.

In short: it's change. It's optional. It's not balance breaking. Change with the times people.

CronkTheImpaler · Apr 15, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Mods. for the love of all things holy stick a fork in this thread.

Anything and Everything has been hammered to death.

Cronk

Coverticus · Apr 15, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Checking in and this thread is STILL going?

Come on guys and gals, enough is enough, points have been reiterated plenty.

Close the thread. Pwetty Pwease

CyberNigma · Apr 15, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I'm really surprised so many people here have never heard of or seen DLC. All that's been happening is ANET has been implementing DLC - content or upgrade is semantics really since it's not fixing a bug. I have all 3 major consoles and DLC is probably the most common form of updates post-release. I'm not talking about new mini-campaigns like The Pitt or Anchorage, but even stuff like Bethesda's Oblivion add-ons/DLC (and yeah, they really milked some stuff there).

DLC is the future for just about all genres I'm pretty sure. Whether you like it or not is pretty irrelevant because enough people do spend money for it. I like DLC. In days old either somene made mods on their old time, or a company sold an expansion pack. That was about it. Now games have new content and features coming out all the time because there's a business reason to do so. It's not really a fire-and-forget anymore. If you don't like it, cancel your HBO and go subscribe to an MMO somewhere.

Yawgmoth · Apr 15, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Don't close, it's a very important issue. The future of our game is at our hands!

DLC = Microtransactions = exactly what I'd HATE to see in GW/GW2. It's a VERY unfair selling model, with the LOWEST POSSIBLE value per $ spent.
It's an exact OPPOSITE of the Original GW Business Model which was about selling only BIG PACKAGES of content, which are COMPLETE high quality PRODUCTS.

Just think about it...
...so many people here that think $10 is a fair price for a small storage pane... and many people would probably be happy to pay $10 to get for example a new dungeon.
1 new dungeon worth $10? Of course not...

BUT IT'S ALL OPTIONAL - such a horrible argument. Whole campagins are also optional, but at least fairly priced.

But if you support this nonsense you may wake up in GW2 being a HELL of microtransactions, selling 10 small content packs $10 each instead of a big one for $40.

DonBrouhaha · Apr 15, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I've been gone from these forums for a long while - just came back for a visit - still seems to be a bunch of unhappy ppl unable to accept reality

I'll probably buy 2 panes - thinking about getting another account, which is most likely the exact response Anet had in mind

Off topic - I'm gonna hold my breathe until they un-nerf Veratas Sac - really

Zet

Bryant Again · Apr 15, 2009, 01:49 AM // 01:49

I'm largely against selling things that impact your gameplay other than through aesthetics. I have no problems with selling "costumes" or exclusive sets of armor: they only affect your appearance and nothing else. But something like the skill unlock pack is something I feel should be given to every player for free, since having all tools available to you is pivotal to a fully enjoyable PvP experience. Leave the progression in PvE.

I can understand a developer being in need of some extra cash. But players shouldn't feel punished if they're unable, nor want, to support them as such.

In regards to if I'm going to purchase the panes: meh, don't really care. Probably would if I started playing again, though...but even then I wasn't much of packrat.

pumpkin pie · Apr 15, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

1) most people seems to forget that WE PAY FOR THE GAME hence its not free to play. It is no subscription fees.

2) promising that Guild Wars will not become like all the rest of the mmorpg out there is not what we make ANet do, they made the promise themselves.

3) selling ingame usable items on online store is making Guild Wars like all the rest of the mmorpg out there

4) The marketing people at ANet RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up, or they are trying to see if micro transaction will work, ANet is pushing this to see if it will be successful, if stupid players pay up, there will be more and more in game items for sale on the online store, making the game EXACTLY LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG out there.

5) I am not saying ANet cannot make money with their game, but do it so the consumers won't feel cheated. NO BY TELLING LIES okay, it a simple theory, you tell your customers ahead what to expect honestly in details when they see the results they will be very happy. I remember there was a huge update earlier and we got it and its free and everyone thank ANet for a job well done and everyone is happy, because what we were told was what we got. But, now you told us theres a huge update without mentioning that it will be a pay contents, which a) is not what ANet usually do, infact you've never done this before, because ANet sells expansion pack. not ingame usable items, many players including me expected this to be free, because all this while this whole thing is being referred to as the April Update not the storage expansion pack, tell me what mmorpg ask its clients to pay for updating games? Or any other program for that matter? if i have to pay for windows updates i go broke, it does it everyday ....

6) once again, If you have made this an EXPANSION PACK like the BMP I'll buy 2 sets immediately, pre-order even, like i did the BMP.

7) so what was your marketing people thinking? test to see if these suckers will fall into the micro-transaction trap so that you may start selling more in-game items in the future?

lastly - no micro transaction, thanks you very much, I want things like the BMP, Expansion Packs not in-game items

Boneyard Spleeneater · Apr 15, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

I know it is poor form, but I am soooo close to invoking Godwin.

Obrien Xp · Apr 15, 2009, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boneyard Spleeneater

I know it is poor form, but I am soooo close to invoking Godwin.

May as well use Murphy while we're here.

Pumpkin Pie has made a good point however. Hence Murphy should also be applied.

@Boneyard: Nice one with Godwin

CronkTheImpaler · Apr 15, 2009, 02:58 AM // 02:58

24 pages of solid QQ. I just dont see what all the tears are for. as far as i can tell not all details are out there on this update. 10 dollars for a storage pane? little pricey me thinks. so ill most likely pass or maybe i wont.. i might get 2? not sure. ITS OPTIONAL. its up to me and you and everyone else.

Skill unlock packs have been around for a long time right? <serious question.
Was there a 700 post thread about the travesty and outrage over A-nets decision to do what they felt was in their best interest?

This is a very tired and sad thread. and im as guilty as the next for adding to it.

All i can say for certain is that A-net owes me nothing. not a god damned thing. i bought all the campaigns and they performed as advertised.(for the most part) I bought some extra chars they did what they were designed to do. I bought the BMP and guess what. You guessed it... it worked just like the little advertisement said it would. Everything ive purchased in store or on line has been precisely what i thought it would be.

but hey keep screaming about how this is sooooooooooooo EVILLLLLLLLL.
Im sure the board of directors are all gnashing their teeth and wringing their hands over people upset over what they do to keep their shit above water on the fiscal end.

Cronk

Coney · Apr 15, 2009, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Hmm, I don't see much QQ - rather, I see a lot of boot-lickers /notsign and spamming - when the vote clearly shows 70-75% aren't impressed (not willing to spend $10).

My previous reply wasn't QQ - it was logic - why bother paying $10 for a page that only stores armor/weapons, when I can pay $10 for a new account with literally 15+ pages of storage for ANY ITEM.

On the server this is *CLEARLY* 1 versus 15 in terms of *BYTES* (yes, that's how they store thing - reason stacks are 250 in size).

Just bad business, no reason to charge so much for so little, when it's already obvious you can get much more for the same.

And to add, most seem to be pissed about the whole bait-n-switch involved here...

wilebill · Apr 15, 2009, 03:07 AM // 03:07

Well, just my IMHO. I think they would have made more money by selling for $5.

They are selling panes for the same price as a character slot. Won't make sense to most players I don't think.

immortius · Apr 15, 2009, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

lastly - no micro transaction, thanks you very much, I want things like the BMP, Expansion Packs not in-game items

Storage space is an account feature, not an in-game item. Hence I declare your post void and move for thread closure. :P

CronkTheImpaler · Apr 15, 2009, 03:10 AM // 03:10

First how do you know my post was aimed at you? protest to much me thinks.

second you are absolutely welcome to purchase whatever you want. i dont think a net said you couldnt. the extra char is a much better deal i think. i like the convenience of the extra pane though. kinda nice.

third. wheres the bait and switch. i wasted 4 years getting a degree in marketing and we covered BnS, and i dont see it. unless i missed something. which i very well might have. they said a pane is 10 dollars. seems pretty straight forward.

Cronk

PS we didnt cover proper grammar in marketing. my apologies to the english language.

infamous16 · Apr 15, 2009, 03:19 AM // 03:19

I would care about paying money for stuff in gw if it gave you an unfair advantage over a player that didn't pay...in this case I could care less.

Bluefeather · Apr 15, 2009, 03:21 AM // 03:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

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4) The marketing people at ANet RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up, or they are trying to see if micro transaction will work, ANet is pushing this to see if it will be successful, if stupid players pay up, there will be more and more in game items for sale on the online store, making the game EXACTLY LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG out there.

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i bought BMP. i bought all unlock skills. bought everything (except for additional character slot).

is that stupidity?

Star Gazer · Apr 15, 2009, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluefeather

i bought BMP. i bought all unlock skills. bought everything (except for additional character slot).

is that stupidity?

now that you mention it, yes, yes it is.

BMP was free for GWEN preorder.

Skills are free for those who are not lazy.

Questions?

talon994 · Apr 15, 2009, 03:39 AM // 03:39

It's an optional feature people...If you REALLY need space and you wanna spend 10 bucks for that extra space then by all means just buy it.

in b4 mod lock

Bluefeather · Apr 15, 2009, 05:02 AM // 05:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Star Gazer

now that you mention it, yes, yes it is.

BMP was free for GWEN preorder.

Skills are free for those who are not lazy.

Questions?

LOL u talk like ur life revolves around GW

Preorder

LOL you dont even know where im from. (we dont have airport and seaport, so no way to import anything to our country [j/k])

Free Skills if not lazy

Hey, wake up and get real

Not all people are like you. Some people have real life

If you don't want to buy extra storage, so don't buy. But why force me who prefer to buy if Anet is giving me that option?

Its my option and I thank Anet for giving me options in this game.